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Seminar on Transhumanism and Religion in Second Life...



My commentary of the event should be online later tonight...

Here is the press release and the documented archives from this most transformative and historical event...

PRESS RELEASE:
Seminar on Transhumanism and Religion in Second Life
Sunday, April 29, 2007
10am SLT-PST, uvvy island in SL

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Speakers:

Giulio Prisco, Executive Director, World Transhumanist Association . Giulio will summarize his article/book precis "Engineering Transcendence".
Most speakers will use audio streaming for presentations and answers to questions from the audience.

Extropia Dasilva , Fascinating and Mysterious Virtual Personality. Extropia is a "transhumanist avatar" who writes some of the best mind expanding stuff about first and second life, the universe and everything.

James Hughes, Executive Director, Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. James will present his paper "The Compatibility of Religious and Transhumanist Views of Metaphysics, Suffering, Virtue and Transcendence in an Enhanced Future".

Lincoln Cannon, President, Mormon Transhumanist Association

See also
http://transumanar.com/index.php/site/seminar_on_transhumanism_and_religion_in_second_life/
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/eventinfo/slhreligion/
http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/administration/archive/2007/04/11/2641.aspx
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First Speaker = Giulio Perhaps (Giulio Prisco)...
This speaker spoke mostly using the voice-chat transmission method...therefore, there is not much in the way of text-content...Giulio even answered my question in voice chat. I hope the audio from Giulio's voice lecture has been archived somewhere...here are some photos interspersed with the unedited chat-history...



[9:59] Lucifer Baphomet is Online
[10:02] Notecard Giver 1.1 gave you Seminar-announce.
[10:02] Alonzo Karas: my tweeters!
[10:02] Giulio Perhaps: I cannot hear myself cuz have SL audio volume off
[10:02] Giulio Perhaps: to avoid echo
[10:02] Sat Batra: howdy earl
[10:02] Alonzo Karas: My tweeters are $200 each!
[10:03] Manoj Undercity: G.. its 3 minutes past already
[10:03] Sat Batra thinks of piercing tweeters
[10:03] Khannea Suntzu: Oi
[[10:03] Extropia DaSilva: Yes
[10:03] Ahman Hax: yes
[10:03] Forrest Paster: Yes
[10:03] Khannea Suntzu: Yes Boss
[10:03] Rosamund Clary: You're loud and clear!
[10:03] Manoj Undercity: yes
[10:03] Forrest Paster: Sounds good; no feedback.
[10:03] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: yes i can hear you, even from the kitchen
[10:03] Alonzo Karas: use headphones.
[10:03] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: its all good
[10:03] Manoj Undercity: please sir Earl.. u r blocking screen
[10:03] Khannea Suntzu: Feedbacke seniore?
[10:03] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: loud and clear
[10:03] James Sleeper: good
[10:03] Xantha Oe: sound good
[10:03] Khannea Suntzu: Loude ende cleare?
[10:03] Manoj Undercity: im changing slides
[10:03] Jamie Marlin: All clear
[10:03] Tree Kyomoon: good sound
[10:04] Zentinal Ziskey: loud and clear!
[10:04] Manoj Undercity: yes G
[10:04] mike2050 Mill: I hear you OK.
[10:04] Tree Kyomoon: accent is a bit strange...perhaps ajust the accent knob?
[10:04] Khannea Suntzu: lol
[10:04] Zentinal Ziskey: ;-)
[10:04] JeanNoelandCharmian Balut shouts: We can hear you Giulio



[10:05] Manoj Undercity shouts: PEOPLE.. DONT TOUCH SLIDES.. ALL PLEASE PRESS MUSIC TAB TO HEAR
[10:05] Sat Batra adjusts his babel fish
[10:05] Earl Enzyme: can someone please tell me how to get rid of all these friggin "name balloons"?
[10:05] Hyper Bright: edit > preferences
[10:05] Earl Enzyme: thx
[10:05] Hyper Bright: general > show names > never
[10:06] Khannea Suntzu: SIX PEOPLE WHO DONT HEAR ZIP, TURN ZE MUSICE ON
[10:06] Earl Enzyme: thx HyperBright
[10:06] Manoj Undercity: sound broke
[10:07] Hyper Bright: you're welcome, earl. :)
[10:07] Manoj Undercity shouts: DONT TOUCH SLIDEBOARD PLEASE
[10:07] Manoj Undercity: /mg suspend
[10:08] Manoj Undercity: i will do it G
[10:08] Manoj Undercity: done now
[10:08] Nina Lancaster is Offline
[10:09] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:11] IRC: IRC gateway muted
[10:11] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:12] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:12] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only AngryBeth Shortbread can.
[10:12] Manoj Undercity shouts: PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH SLIDESBOARD PLEASE



[10:12] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 6/20 - Slide5
[10:12] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 2/9 - Slide1
[10:12] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:12] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 3/9 - Slide2
[10:13] Khannea Suntzu giggles
[10:14] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 7/20 - Slide6
[10:14] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:14] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 4/9 - Slide3
[10:14] Nina Lancaster is Online
[10:15] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 4/9 - Slide3
[10:15] IRC: IRC gateway enabled
[10:15] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:15] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 8/20 - Slide7
[10:15] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:16] Manoj Undercity: sound broken
[10:16] Manoj Undercity: ok
[10:16] Manoj Undercity: resumed
[10:17] Charles Gregoire: / cannot hear now
[10:17] Rosamund Clary: Sound?
[10:17] Sat Batra grins



[10:17] Manoj Undercity shouts: sound comes and goes sometimes...please dont worry
[10:17] Giulio Perhaps: ound ghas stopped
[10:17] Giulio Perhaps: because someone else tries to connect to server
[10:17] Giulio Perhaps: pplease don't
[10:17] Khannea Suntzu: If sound stops try stopping and restartying again
[10:17] Giulio Perhaps: 2 min please
[10:18] Khannea Suntzu: ok
[10:18] Extropia DaSilva: And the vision/ that was planted in my brain/ still remains/ within the sound of silence.
[10:18] Giulio Perhaps: sound has resumed
[10:18] Manoj Undercity: YEAH
[10:18] Ahman Hax: stop/start worked for me
[10:18] Extropia DaSilva: yes.
[10:18] Davos Desmoulins: yes
[10:18] Cryonica Artizar: yes
[10:18] Rosamund Clary: yes
[10:18] Forrest Paster: yes, I can hear now.
[10:18] Khannea Suntzu: y
[10:18] Tree Kyomoon: sound she is back on
[10:18] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: yes
[10:18] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: doh
[10:18] Khannea Suntzu: Yesse I can hier you egene
[10:18] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: yes
[10:19] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 8/20 - Slide7
[10:19] Extropia DaSilva: I think it has gone again.
[10:19] Manoj Undercity shouts: u r a lovely audience today ! totally helping Giulio !



[10:19] Charles Gregoire: / back,. now gone again?
[10:19] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: confirmed
[10:19] Ahman Hax: i hear you
[10:19] Manoj Undercity: sound gone again
[10:19] Beatriz Nikolaidis: I dont hear
[10:19] Giulio Perhaps: hearing me OK I hope
[10:19] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: when we are transhuman do you think audio will work?
[10:19] Lifeboat Jewell: How do I remove the Orientation Island box from my screen? Close doesn't work.
[10:19] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: or is that a vague hope
[10:19] Ahman Hax: on now
[10:19] Hyper Bright: I hear you :)
[10:19] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 9/20 - Slide8
[10:20] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:20] Beatriz Nikolaidis: sound ok now
[10:20] Remi Boehm: has it begun?
[10:20] Charles Gregoire: / can hear again
[10:20] Alonzo Karas: back again, computers suck.
[10:20] Hari Greene: i can't even play "music" any more. it won't let me switch it to "on" mode.
[10:20] Khannea Suntzu: Keep trying it will pop bac k
[10:20] Beatriz Nikolaidis: sounfd gone
[10:20] Alonzo Karas: gone again.
[10:20] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 9/20 - Slide8
[10:20] Giulio Perhaps: sound gone again
[10:20] Hari Greene: got it back, good.
[10:20] Giulio Perhaps: 1 min
[10:20] Sat Batra: this, my friends, is why I will not early adopt a copy of myself to be uploaded.
[10:21] Sat Batra chortles
[10:21] Manoj Undercity: sound is back
[10:21] Zentinal Ziskey: :-D
[10:21] Manoj Undercity: speak G



[10:21] Beatriz Nikolaidis: sound again
[10:21] Forrest Paster: sound is back
[10:21] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: confirmed
[10:21] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 10/20 - Slide9
[10:21] Ahman Hax: sound is back
[10:21] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:21] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: wohooo
[10:21] Khannea Suntzu giggles BDSM?
[10:21] IRC: IRC gateway muted
[10:21] Beatriz Nikolaidis: sound gone
[10:22] Extropia DaSilva: Is that guy strapped to the wheel someone who tried to attack the SL grid?
[10:22] Alonzo Karas: heheheheheheheheheheh
[10:22] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 10/20 - Slide9
[10:22] Sat Batra: isn't the BDSM what you Windows users get when your OS crashes?
[10:22] Manoj Undercity shouts: PLEASE ADJUST EVERYBODY.. LITTLE TECHNICAL HITCHES
[10:22] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 11/20 - Slide10
[10:22] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:23] Alonzo Karas: crap I spent too much reading chat to look at the side. =(
[10:23] IRC: IRC gateway enabled
[10:23] Alonzo Karas: takes long time to rez too.
[10:23] IRC: IRC gateway muted
[10:23] Manoj Undercity: sound stopped
[10:23] IRC: IRC gateway enabled
[10:23] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:23] Manoj Undercity: it happens everytime IRC comes in i think
[10:23] Beatriz Nikolaidis: is there a way to see the slides?
[10:24] Sat Batra: the sound is droppong independant of the gateway to irc
[10:24] Manoj Undercity: please focus on slides using your camera Beatriz
[10:24] Manoj Undercity: go to view-camera controls
[10:24] Hyper Bright: Will these slides be availbe for download?
[10:24] Beatriz Nikolaidis: thanks
[10:24] yoda Fride: hallo piet garfield
[10:24] Manoj Undercity: no sound
[10:24] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:24] Sat Batra awakens
[10:25] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:25] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:25] Manoj Undercity: is back
[10:25] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 11/20 - Slide10
[10:25] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 12/20 - Slide11
[10:25] Manoj Undercity: its o
[10:26] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 12/20 - Slide11
[10:26] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[10:26] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:27] Manoj Undercity: sound stopped
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:27] Manoj Undercity: resumed
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:27] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:27] Emily Lang: stop and restart
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 12/20 - Slide11
[10:27] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 12/20 - Slide11
[10:28] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:28] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 14/20 - Slide13
[10:28] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:29] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:29] Charles Gregoire: /audio lost again
[10:29] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:29] Charles Gregoire: /back
[10:29] Hyper Bright: Can we make it understood that sl will have these glitches and that all of us are losing audio. :)
[10:29] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:29] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:29] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:29] Manoj Undercity: sound is back
[10:29] Hyper Bright: Just stop the music stream and start it again. :)
[10:30] Charles Gregoire: /kk were praised earlier for feedback, now hit on the nose *laughs*
[10:30] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:30] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 14/20 - Slide13
[10:30] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[10:31] Khannea Suntzu: And my cat !
[10:31] Manoj Undercity: yeah
[10:31] Rain Coalcliff is Online
[10:31] Manoj Undercity: sound is back
[10:31] Beatriz Nikolaidis: yes
[10:31] Charles Gregoire: /can hear you now
[10:31] Jamie Marlin: I hear
[10:31] Manoj Undercity: sound gone
[10:31] Charles Gregoire: / on and off
[10:32] Hari Greene: comes and goes.
[10:32] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: confirmed
[10:32] Manoj Undercity: sound back
[10:32] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 14/20 - Slide13
[10:32] Khannea Suntzu: Then we can bring back velociraptors too !
[10:32] James Sleeper: Not sure there is an easy way - just searching the orgs directory
[10:33] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 15/20 - Slide14
[10:33] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:33] James Sleeper: The chapter has open membership - you can join
[10:33] Khannea Suntzu: Riverworld
[10:34] Zentinal Ziskey: my thought exactly
[10:34] Manoj Undercity throws a peanut at Dr.J, where else can i do it ? :P
[10:34] Charles Gregoire: / Spider Robinson has a book about this, Lifehouse I think it is called.
[10:34] James Sleeper: I'm a noob - not really sure
[10:34] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:34] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 16/20 - Slide15
[10:34] Qyxxql Merlin: ok, that you, James :-)
[10:34] Khannea Suntzu: And you dont get back once - millions of times, some good, some real bad
[10:35] Qyxxql Merlin: *thank you
[10:35] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 17/20 - Slide16
[10:35] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:35] Manoj Undercity: sound gone
[10:35] Manoj Undercity: resumed
[10:35] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 18/20 - Slide17
[10:35] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 18/20 - Slide17
[10:36] Manoj Undercity: its on
[10:36] Khannea Suntzu: My place in the big universe is on my knees
[10:36] Extropia DaSilva: No problem it is on.
[10:36] Tree Kyomoon: sound on
[10:37] Khannea Suntzu: A convient fiction, packaged with a soundtrack CD
[10:37] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 19/20 - Slide18
[10:38] Forrest Paster: What about those who are already out there?
[10:38] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:38] Rosamund Clary: Let's hope we do better than last time.
[10:38] Manoj Undercity shouts: Q and A sesssion follows immediatley following his speech
[10:39] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:39] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:39] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 1/53 - religionseminar
[10:40] Manoj Undercity: Lifeboat.. please sit down... lots of seats available
[10:40] Manoj Undercity: u could even float !
[10:40] Manoj Undercity: sound gone
[10:40] Khannea Suntzu: For more information, read "toxic memes" of the gurps "transhuman space" series.
[10:40] Tree Kyomoon: sound is fine
[10:40] Giulio Perhaps: questions please sound will resume
[10:40] Manoj Undercity: resumed
[10:41] Manoj Undercity shouts: PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.. FLOOR IS OPEN TO DISCUSSION NOW
[10:41] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:41] Forrest Paster: Will the slides be available for download?
[10:41] Hyper Bright: I have a question.
[10:41] Manoj Undercity shouts: Giulio answers via voice to ur text questions
[10:41] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:41] Giulio Perhaps: listening to hyper
[10:42] Hyper Bright: If we take up the stance that religion is a delusion, what could be a viable argument against someone who says "I have the right to believe" or "don't take my religion away from me?"
[10:42] Alonzo Karas: Religeon is inherantly dangerous. Jeusus tried to create a religeon of peace and love. . Same with Mohamed, same with all the others.



[10:42] Khannea Suntzu: Question: is the danger of alienating non-transhumanists more likely than actually doing objective good by trying to engineer the memetic aspects of established religion?
[10:42] Qyxxql Merlin: do you feel that the culture of Transhumanists/Posthumanists in the future will be similar or even influenced by the Second Life civilization as a beta-test for how to conduct ourselves ethically and "super"naturally in SL?
[10:42] Manoj Undercity: sound is gone
[10:42] Hyper Bright: Will an alternative solution need to be presented at the same time we demand an end to religion?
[10:42] Manoj Undercity: resumed
[10:42] mike2050 Mill: Question: please speculate on the time-line for the Manifest Destiny you described?
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 20/20 - Slide19
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): This is the Last Slide
[10:43] Hyper Bright: But monotheism has an enormous history in creating wars.
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 19/20 - Slide18
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 18/20 - Slide17
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 18/20 - Slide17
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 17/20 - Slide16
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 16/20 - Slide15
[10:43] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 16/20 - Slide15
[10:43] Charles Gregoire: / How do you imagine the future matrix of all life being stored and computaionally supported? Will there be any distinction between past and present consciousness? If not, will future consciousness also be supported? In such a world, it seems like consciousness itself, learning, growing, and even life changes meaning substantially when all possibilities are in a 4D matrix aware of itself forward/backward in time.
[10:43] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 15/20 - Slide14
[10:44] Hyper Bright: but is that happiness justifiable, given the damage it does to the world?
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 14/20 - Slide13
[10:44] Tree Kyomoon: knowledge will kill religion, we dont need to actively do anything but educate and make advances scientifically no?
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 13/20 - Slide12
[10:44] Hyper Bright: Tree, that sounds plausible. :)
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 12/20 - Slide11
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 11/20 - Slide10
[10:44] Tree Kyomoon: that is why the bible taught that the "tree of knowlege" was evil
[10:44] Forrest Paster raises hand
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 10/20 - Slide9
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 5/9 - Slide4
[10:44] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 9/20 - Slide8
[10:45] Hyper Bright: oooo.. Tree, I have never heard of that thought before....
[10:45] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 8/20 - Slide7
[10:45] Hyper Bright: It's... astounding. :)
[10:45] Remi Boehm: religion is not only a belief system, it's a code of conduct giving meaing to our actions now. Whatwill be the
[10:45] Khannea Suntzu: What Giulio proposes is to manipulate established religions in a peaceful manner. Give it ideas. These methods are necessary to lead lay-people towards a better future.
[10:45] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 7/20 - Slide6
[10:45] Philippe Golding is Offline
[10:45] Tree Kyomoon: faith is the opposite of knowledge...
[10:45] Remi Boehm: transhumanist deeds. what will be the rituals?
[10:45] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 6/20 - Slide5
[10:45] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 5/20 - Slide4
[10:45] Jamie Marlin: People who wish to hate can always find an excuse... if not religion, then race... or hair color... Abolishing religion will not abolish hate.
[10:45] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 4/20 - Slide3
[10:45] Sat Batra falls into a deep meditation.
[10:46] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 3/20 - Slide2
[10:46] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 3/20 - Slide2
[10:46] Forrest Paster: Are the hope of resurrection and immortality the only benefits of religion? The only reason for it to exist?
[10:47] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 4/20 - Slide3
[10:47] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 3/20 - Slide2
[10:47] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:47] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 1/20 - religionseminar
[10:47] WhiteBoard (w): Showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:47] Tree Kyomoon: the benefit of religion is the same as the benefit of ignorance....bliss ?
[10:48] Khannea Suntzu: Religion is a patch for a flawed, erratically evolved cognition
[10:48] Charles Gregoire: / SL can be a good medium for education, experimentaing, learning, teaching the next generation and this one, to try to find ways to transition to these new ways of finding happiness and hope even now. *looks around and sees the proof it can happen*
[10:48] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:48] Scope Cleaver: ( How long before that he said)?
[10:48] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:48] Extropia DaSilva: Do not assume that all people who hold religios beliefs are ignorant. Only the ignorant would make a statement like that.
[10:49] Khannea Suntzu: Relgion is a very complex, highly intelligent cognitive system based on a flawed assumption.
[10:49] Ahman Hax: THANKS!
[10:49] Forrest Paster appauds
[10:49] Charles Gregoire: / ty Giulio
[10:49] Lucifer Darrow applauds
[10:49] Ahman Hax: excellent
[10:49] Emily Lang: thank you as well
[10:49] Tree Kyomoon: to the extent one holds to religion is the extent to which they are ignorant, you can hold religion only allegorically or symbolically
[10:49] Rosamund Clary: Thanks, Giulio!
[10:49] Khannea Suntzu: /cheer
[10:49] Extropia DaSilva: Ok thanks..
[10:49] Beatriz Nikolaidis: thanks
[10:49] James Sleeper: thanks giulio
[10:49] Vinzent Beaumont: thanks
[10:49] Tree Kyomoon: cheer!~
[10:49] Simanto Fitzcarraldo: thank you giulio
[10:49] Woppercyb Nagy: gracias
[10:49] Remi Boehm: thanks

Second Speaker = Extropia DaSilva... Extropia was a very articulate avatar who delighted us with her bountiful factoids about the post-human condition and the current rate of evolution within our off-world civilization...One can see how far we have come in Second Life with regards to our rate of evolutionary mode of transcendence....My guess is that she has evolved so quickly and intensely that she must have gone all the way and uploaded her entire off-world consciousness into the Second Life server...this must be why her avatar is so disciplined and devoted to Transhumanist Enlightenment...I am in awe! She is definitely a role-model for how I wish to personally evolve...Again, here are some pictures interspersed with the chat history...

Photo by Miulew Takahe.

[10:49] Manoj Undercity shouts: NOW EXTROPIA WILL GIVE HER PRESENTATION. VIA TEXT
[10:49] Qyxxql Merlin: /clap
[10:49] Extropia DaSilva: Well the good news is, no vocal means no sound problems:)
[10:49] Soren Ferlinghetti: /clap
[10:49] Sat Batra whistles and cheers like a red neck at a monster truck rally.
[10:49] Simanto Fitzcarraldo applauds Extropia
[10:49] Scope Cleaver: Yay text, the most reliable way to communicate in SL so far!
[10:49] Khannea Suntzu: Cool ! Extropia is way hawter than Giulio
[10:50] Manoj Undercity: LOL Scope
[10:50] Manoj Undercity: Extropia.. please face audience
[10:50] Earl Enzyme: /howls
[10:50] Extropia DaSilva: Ok, I am not going to have too much to say about religion, as theology is not my area of expertise..
[10:50] Qyxxql Merlin: :-)
[10:50] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:50] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:50] Manoj Undercity: thank u
[10:50] Alonzo Karas: NOTE TO PPL, you must wear expressions before you can /use them.
[10:50] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:50] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:50] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 2/20 - Slide1
[10:50] Extropia DaSilva: :) that better?
[10:50] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[10:50] Sat Batra: nice legs
[10:50] Jamie Marlin: Yes!
[10:50] Manoj Undercity: yep yep



[10:51] Extropia DaSilva: The talk I am presenting today is called ‘Climbing Technological Mount Improbable’, which mostly concentrates on cumulative and convergent knowledge, and how they are very likely to frustrate techno-luddism and fundamentalism.
[10:51] Manoj Undercity shouts: PEOPLE PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PRESENTATION IS TEXT NOT AUDIO
[10:51] Tree Kyomoon: you can hold religion only allegorically or symbolically...but still keep the intelligent parts of your mind separate, and many people do that, so no a "moderately religious person " is not necessarily ignorant
[10:51] Extropia DaSilva: From the Inquisition placing Gallileo under house arrest, to the Scopes Monkey Trial, there have been examples throughout history of dogma standing in the way of scientific knowledge.
[10:51] Extropia DaSilva: Transhumanists know only too well the frustration that must have been felt by those individuals whose ideas have been attacked on the basis of contradicting entrenched dogma.
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[10:51] Woppercyb Nagy: ¿ya se terminó?
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[10:52] Extropia DaSilva: It also seems that, where transhumanism is concerned, fundamentalism has a certain advantage over its predecessors. I mean, if you hold the belief that our planetary system has the Earth at its centre, and not the sun, the objective truth will ultimately be determined, since we are talking about an outcome of physical laws laid down tens of billions of years before human beings existed.
[10:52] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
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[10:52] Extropia DaSilva: Fundamentalists could deny the objective truth, but could not actually rewrite the physical laws of nature and inevitably their folly was exposed.
[10:52] Extropia DaSilva: But transhumanism is somewhat different. It IS in our control, we DO have an active influence in the direction technology heads. This was the take-home message of Bill McKibben’s book ‘Enough’. Literally, that society could, if enough people wish it, decide that we need not guide technology down roads that lead to a fundamental redesign of the human species.
[10:53] Extropia DaSilva: While McKibben wrote his book, and while I read it, there were several companies and organizations explicitly working on technologies that will usher in the radical future. As well as providing the research and development required to realise transhumanist dreams, I believe they serve the purpose of giving false hopes to those groups who stand opposed to these goals.
[10:53] Khannea Suntzu: Dream on Nad
[10:53] Extropia DaSilva: This sense of security comes in two forms. Firstly, the difference between what would be required to realise nanotechnology, negligible senescence and strong AI, and what represents today’s state-of-the-art…well the gap seems so huge it is foolish to believe such breakthroughs can happen in a lifetime.
[10:54] Extropia DaSilva: So it seems! Secondly, when it seems a breakthrough is likely, the opponents no doubt think they can prevent it. All they need do is get the public on their side and lobby for the closure of these organizations, and we will all go back to life As It Was Meant To Be (copyright, Leon Kass).
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[10:54] Extropia DaSilva: I did say these were false hopes, and the reason I believe this is so is because I see the radical future emerging, not so much because of a few institutions explicitly working on it, but because it is the inevitable outcome of cumulative and convergent knowledge.
[10:54] Miulew Takahe is Online
[10:54] Extropia DaSilva: D’you remember how Velociraptors hunted in ‘Jurrassic Park’? One distracting its prey’s attention while more sneaked up on it from behind? That is what companies explicitly working on GRIN technologies are like. They direct the attention of luddite groups, get them focused on one narrow area, and while they are distracted technology as a whole can sneak up.
[10:55] Sat Batra cheers
[10:55] Extropia DaSilva: Now, I do not believe that this is an intentional strategy of these organizations. It is just that they give the impression that nanotech etc is the pre-determined goal of centralized institutions. But the majority of inventors, companies and organizations have no interest on explicitly realising transhumanist goals. They only wish to research and impliment sensible, reasonable upgrades to existing tools and services. It is this ongoing effort, the desire to provide better medicine, more efficient manufacturing, software a bit smarter than last generation’s, that the goals of transhumanism will actually arise from.
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[10:55] Khannea Suntzu: /cheer !
[10:55] Extropia DaSilva: Keep your eye fixed on the likes of Zyvex, or the Singularity Institute, and you are probably going to miss the direction from which GRIN tech really comes!
[10:56] Extropia DaSilva: But when it does seem that breakthroughs are near, a public scared by such extreme tech will give weight to Luddite calls for relinquishment, right? Actually, I think a propper consideration of ‘cumulative’ knowledge shows the answer to be ‘no’.
[10:56] Extropia DaSilva: Cummulative knowledge is most eloquently explained by Richard Dawkins as ‘climbing Mount Improbable’. In his own words, ‘one side of the mountain is a sheer cliff, impossible to climb, but the other side is a gentle slope to the summit. On the summit sits a complex device’.
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[10:56] Khannea Suntzu: Ye pot of gold yarrr
[10:56] Sat Batra: arrrr
[10:57] Extropia DaSilva: Dawkins is of course talking about products of natural selection and how nature pulled off the trick of putting together natural machines that seem to have been designed by an intelligent ‘watchmaker’. But I think ‘Mount Improbable’ serves equally well as an explanation to this question: ‘Why, in a world full of technology quite dazzling compared to what was available in the past, do forcastes of future technology sound too incredible to believe’?
[10:57] Extropia DaSilva: The answer is that these forecastes make a metaphorical leap up the sheer cliff-face of Mount Improbable. But present technologies got where they are today via a gentle climb up its slope. A case in point: Try to imagine that this is 1985. In this year, Apple have a third-party hard drive available, which retails at $2000.
[10:57] Extropia DaSilva: For that money, you get something almost as big as a shoebox with a total capacity of 10 megabytes. Now try to imagine the skepticism that would greet a suggestion that, one day, a hard-drive-based device would usurp the Sony Walkman as the most popular portable music player.
[10:58] Sat Batra notes in horror that he has a mullet
[10:58] Extropia DaSilva: I mean, come on! Wired’s Steven Levy commented, ‘ha! The entire capacity (was) insufficient to store the MP3 file of Neil Young’s ‘down by the river” . You might as well put a personal CD player and a bunch of Cds in a shoebox and lug that about! Darn sight cheaper than a hard drive, non?
[10:58] Khannea Suntzu: Thou musteth be gesting, daresay
[10:58] Extropia DaSilva: Ok, so who has an iPod?
[10:58] Sat Batra raises his hand
[10:59] Charles Gregoire: / I have 3
[10:59] Sat Batra: I had two but they broke
[10:59] Extropia DaSilva: And who, when they first saw an iPod, nearly fainted and was carted off intoning ‘Ohmigod it had a capacity of 5 GIGS! Squeezed into a hard drive small enough to swallow!! And they manufactured those drives for tens of dollars! Tens! As opposed to thousands!!!’? I bet the answer is, ‘not many’.
[10:59] Beatriz Nikolaidis: i have 2
[10:59] Jamie Marlin: Naw - YESTERDAY's tech.
[10:59] Tree Kyomoon: I have a pocket pc that could play vidoes and mp3s 10 years ago
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[10:59] Extropia DaSilva: Why? Because generally speaking people do not compare the latest technology with the first of its kind, but rather with the technology of the generation immediately preceeding it. Let’s assume the Toshiba hard drive in the original iPod was at step ‘N’ for storage technologies and the 1985 brick was stage ‘C’. Obviously compared to step ‘C’, a hard drive at step ‘N’ will be a very significant, even a dazzling, improvement.
[10:59] Charles Gregoire: / gradual acclimation, yes
[10:59] Earl Enzyme I have a pocket meatpuppet that sings all the latest tunes to me
[11:00] Extropia DaSilva: But hardly anyone judges it against step ‘C’. They judge it against step ‘M’ and from there it was not much of a leap at all. Just the next generation. As sensible as the step from ‘C’ to ‘D’.
[11:00] Khannea Suntzu freaks
[11:00] Giulio Perhaps is Online
[11:00] Jamie Marlin: Come sit down, Extropia!
[11:00] Khannea Suntzu: Oh my god I saw his penis
[11:00] Sat Batra: oi! someone boot the fat guy!
[11:01] Extropia DaSilva: Ok I can talk from here.
[11:01] Manoj Undercity: lol Extropia
[11:01] Extropia DaSilva: Ok, so now consider Hugo de Garis’s comment. If memory serves, he pointed out that a grain of sand was sufficient space to build a computer a billion times more powerful than a human brain. Something like that.
[11:01] Khannea Suntzu: Sit there
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[11:01] Extropia DaSilva: He then wondered what would happen if that super-duper nanocomputer were installed in the brain of your next door neighbour? She would be Homo-Superior! Wars would break out between Artilects and Terrans (unaugmented people)!
[11:01] Giulio Perhaps: kicked this guy out
[11:02] Extropia DaSilva: I have command of the floor again!
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[11:02] Manoj Undercity: wow
[11:02] Tree Kyomoon: I think that was Pat Robertson trying to shut us down
[11:02] Alonzo Karas: I'm 3 parapgraphs behind.
[11:02] Sat Batra: heh
[11:02] Extropia DaSilva: Ok, so now consider Hugo de Garis’s comment. If memory serves, he pointed out that a grain of sand was sufficient space to build a computer a billion times more powerful than a human brain. Something like that. He then wondered what would happen if that super-duper nanocomputer were installed in the brain of your next door neighbour? She would be Homo-Superior! Wars would break out between Artilects and Terrans (unaugmented people)!
[11:02] Soren Ferlinghetti: i think you should sit on the big robo-spider throne, extropia.
[11:03] Manoj Undercity shouts: THOSE WHO MISSED PRESENTATION.. PLEASE CLICK CHAT HISTORY
[11:03] Extropia DaSilva: Sorry, this is wrong. De Garis made a metaphorical leap up Mount Improbable, all the way to the summit or stage ‘Z‘. But by the time we have designed and mass-produced version 2.0 of the human brain, we will already have produced version 1.99, 1.98 and so on, giving a smooth gradient all the way down to current neuroprosthesis such as artificial retinas and cochlears.
[11:03] Sat Batra nods
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[11:03] Extropia DaSilva: I do not think enough people appreciate that the incredible technologies described by transhumanists actually arise from many thousands of tiny advances that ocurr each day. By the time version 2.0 of the human brain emerges from vapourware, it will be judged, not as a terrifyingly large leap in cognitive ability, but simply a mundane upgrade from stage ‘Y’, the previous generation of brain augmentation.
[11:04] Manoj Undercity shouts: EXTROPIA PLEASE SHOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. THOSE AT THE BACK CANNOT GET U
[11:04] Extropia DaSilva shouts: What I am saying is, when GRIN technologies actually fulfill transhumanist dreams they will not be radical and scary, they will just be the next sensible step. But all this talk of progressing from B to C to D makes it sound as if we climb Mount Improbable through linear steps.
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[11:04] Forrest Paster: Like the "irreducible complexity" arguments of ID.
[11:04] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I am sure you are all aware of Kurzweil’s Law Of Accelerating Returns and what it says about ‘intuitive linear beliefs’, no need to go into all that. Instead, I will now talk about ‘convergent’ knowledge and how it may propell us far further up Mount Improbable than we might suppose.
[11:05] Manoj Undercity: yep they can all hear u now
[11:05] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Convergent knowledge is when one branch of knowledge comes to influence a seemingly separate area, regardless of the fact that they would appear to have nothing in common. Take, for example, the disease rabies and artificial intelligence. You would be hard-pressed to see any connection between the two, huh?
[11:05] Drown Pharaoh is Online
[11:05] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Ah, but researchers have modified the virus that causes rabies, thereby turning it into a tool that can cross the synaptic space of a targeted cell just once to identify all the neurons to which it is directly connected. The researchers who developed this point out that it will ‘offer us an unprecedented view of the brain’. And I am guessing that we all know the relationship between reverse-engineering the brain and developing strong AI.
[11:06] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Another example. If you study the life-cycle of insects, you would perhaps not think your research would end up helping Parkinson’s Disease sufferers. But, according to New Scientist, ‘Rheogene…has come up with a technique that might address concerns (of the safety of a drug for Parkinson’s called GDNF). It has developed a safety switch that should allow GDNF to be delivered to the brain by gene therapy, precisely controlling the amount produced. The switch is based on the receptor for ecydsone, the hormone that makes insects shed their external skeletons’.
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[11:06] Extropia DaSilva shouts: How on Earth do you make the leap from a hormone that makes insects shed their external skeleton, to a safety switch for gene therapy? Well, consider what the software tool Geneways can do. ‘It reads tens of thousands of scientific papers and files information automatically on a database.
[11:07] Extropia DaSilva shouts: In response to a query about a certain molecular pathway, the database can then define how that molecule relates to others, a process that allows the discovery of new molecular interactions and pathways’.
[11:07] Cosmopolitan whispers: Sky Lounge thanks you
[11:07] Khannea Suntzu: title white
[11:07] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I don’t know if this is how Parkinson’s researchers came to learn that ecydsone would make an effective safety switch or not, but it does highlight the fact that we are able to tie together increasingly large and diverse areas of scientific knowledge, and turn this mess of information into easily-searchable and accessible data.
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[11:08] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Apply cumulative knowledge to something like Google, and perhaps you ultimately get smart software tools that can read billions of journals and blogs, listen in on all the chatter of the scientific community, and in microseconds see in that complex web answers to intractable problems no human could ever perceive, even if they spent a lifetime studying the data on the Web.
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[11:08] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Vernor Vinge well understands the potential. ‘We need to extend the capabilities of search engines and social networks to produce services that can bridge barriers created by technical jargon and forge links between unrelated specialities, bringing research groups with complimentary problems and solutions together’.
[11:08] Charles Gregoire: / The Final Encyclopedia, by Dickson
[11:09] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Vinge can rest assured that, yes, search engines and social networks are evolving to meet these criteria. And we transhumanists can rest assured that convergent knowledge will make the fundamentalist dream of halting technological progress practically impossible. Why? Because it will be impossible to predict how and why, when and if, any seemingly innocuous research will amount to a spark sending a fire of convergent knowledge spreading through cyberspace, from which breakthrough answers to GRIN technologies will arise.
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[11:09] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Consider the following fields: Material sciences, mechanical engineering, physics, life sciences, chemistry, biology, electrical engineering, computer science and IT. Some are clearly related to others, some have no relationship, right? Wrong. They ALL related to the field of nanotechnology. And because all these fields converge on nanotech, research in any one of these areas could result in breakthroughs for molecular nanotechnology.
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[11:09] Extropia DaSilva: It might be clearly related, like a biologist reverse-engineering a biological nanomotor like that of the Flagellum bacteria. But equally, a solution might take the form of an emergent pattern of a billion research topics, comments and insights, spread across all the disciplines in a complex web of cause-and-effect.
[11:10] Drown Pharaoh accepted your inventory offer.
[11:10] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Possibly, no single document or comment has anything to do with Drexlerian nanotechnology per se, it is just that a solution to some intractible problem becomes obvious to deeply-networked research groups who are aided by software tools that find possible solutions emerging from other, perhaps seemingly unrelated, areas of science and which then translate the specialised language used by one group into that used by another.
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[11:10] Extropia DaSilva shouts: How can the luddites REALLY hope to stop the emergence of nanotech? How, when it is emerging out of so many diverse fields? To do so, they would have to go as far as telling shampoo manufacturers they can no longer research new formulas, lest their chemists open up a pathway to molecular manufacturing!
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[11:11] Khannea Suntzu: Well I am sure if I really try I can stop an avalanche
[11:11] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Given the power of cumulative and convergent knowledge, I think a strong case can be made regarding the ultimate inevitability of the eventual realisation of transhumanist goals in AI, nanotechnology etc. These are, after all, the outcome of trends whose continuation is essential for the future survival of human civilization:
[11:11] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Understanding the body and brain at the molecular level upwards. Supported by overwhelming need to alleviate suffering from disease and senescence, we are reverse-engineering the tools needed to understand the mechanisms behind the many terrible ailments that inflict needless misery on unfortunate people and so design effective countermeasures. Such research is also yielding valuable insights for understanding the principles of intelligence, and molecular nanotechnology.
[11:11] BiGSiN Wormser falls into a deep meditation.
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[11:12] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Refining the manufacturing process, a great necessity considering the fact we have finite material resources to work from. Every step towards refining the manufacturing process is progress towards manipulating matter with atomic precision.
[11:12] Extropia DaSilva: Improving the reliability and user-friendliness of IT technology, by learning how to give software more autonomy, and to intelligently work with people, thereby minimizing those infuriating moments when we must dumb down our intelligence to account to for the stupidity of machines.
[11:13] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Of course these noble efforts are going to continue, but I do not wish to encourage complacency. Fundamentalism may not be able to permanently halt technological progress, but it can temporarily frustrate it. We see this happening today with regards to biotechnology. The public is largely distrustful of GM. Markets have to cater for consumerist tastes and the public’s distrust of, say, eating cloned beef, is a formidable force and an obstacle that we need to address. But how?
[11:13] Khannea Suntzu: Placate and humor
[11:13] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I believe the answer lies in educating the layperson, so that it is understood that much of the negative publicity surrounding GM is more propoganda than fact. There is a great deal of misinformation regarding transhumanism and its many tools, so much in fact that I can only deal with a couple here. I have mentioned cloned beef, so I will point out that anybody who claims they would not want to eat it does not appreciate that he or she has almost certainly done so already.
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[11:14] Extropia DaSilva shouts: The meat industry has long used a technique called ‘budding’, whereby technicians separate the undifferentiated cells in a fertilized cow egg that has undergone several divisions. This technique can yield hundreds of artificially-induced twins which are all clones are at the end of the day.
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[11:14] Extropia DaSilva shouts: It needs to be understood the extent to which all our food is largely a product of human- rather than purely natural- selection. All our farm animals and all our crops resulted from artificial manipulation of genetic material, using techniques that were far less controlled and refined than modern GM practices. But refined does not equal ‘flawless’.
[11:14] Nina Lancaster is Offline
[11:14] Extropia DaSilva shouts: We advocates of GM need to be open in admitting that some products will do more harm than good. But the current zero tolerence attitude toward biotechnology is plain silly. Imagine if the Thalidamide tragedy had resulted in intense pressure, not just to ban that particular drug, but to close down the entire pharmaceutical industry. Of course, such a demand would be ludicrous but that is precisely what we see regarding GM technology.
[11:15] Khannea Suntzu: You mean SATAN technology, right?
[11:15] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Let us preach the more sensible approach of dealing with each GM product on a case-by-case basis. Let us not disregard any legitimate safety concerns but rely only on scientific facts, not propoganda.
[11:15] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I want to address one more criticism of transhumanism, one that I have often ecountered. Namely, that we look down our noses at human beings. You read this time and again in anti-transhumanist propoganda: That we are full of self-loathing regarding ourselves and cannot wait to replace humanity with an ill-defined technological successor. Such a viewpoint seemingly cannot appreciate that you can admire something and understand its flaws at the same time.
[11:16] Manoj Undercity: wow
[11:16] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I mean, I fully appreciate the incredible craftsmanship that went into making a Neolithic flint axe, but at the same time I understand how crude stone-age tools are in comparison to a modern intergrated circuit. I know that the people who crafted flint tools had minds every bit as sophisticated as the average contemporary adult.
[11:16] Khannea Suntzu: I have a problem with my flawed ass
[11:16] Charles Gregoire: / or that you can love something, and want it to grow deeper, richer, to more than it is
[11:16] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Our vastly improved technological mastery is a result of us inheriting an immense body of cumulative knowledge. There really is nothing contrary about admiring the ingenuity, the wonderful ability, of humans past and present, but at the same time appreciating how crude we are compared to what is technically possible.
[11:16] Sat Batra: spouses come to mind
[11:17] Extropia DaSilva shouts: It really does not need a genius to see where all these goals, each one of which has many, many justifications for its continued R+D, is headed. It is headed toward the radical future, the summit of Mount Improbable. Near that summit, we shall see Genetics, Robotics, Information technology and Nanotechnology, which are driven by many diverse disciplines, go on to converge at a single point right at the top. The summit of human technological progress, beyond which only POST-humans- “mind children” as Moravec called them- can tread.
[11:17] Extropia DaSilva shouts: This seems to fit nicely with the notion that we are heading for a ‘technological singularity’, which is a term that refers to engineered intelligence that surpasses natural intelligence in all respects. That, by the way, is the only correct definition, and as Micheal Anissmov pointed out, ‘other definitions, focusing on the acceleration of technological change, the greater global cooperation of human beings, and so on, are contortions of the original definition, made up after the fact’.
[11:17] Khannea Suntzu: The mountain becomes a skyhook !
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[11:17] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Unfortunately, people have mistaken speculations regarding the consequences of engineered super intelligence for definitions of the singularity itself, and many of these speculations have clear parallels with religious ‘rapture’. Therefore, the singularity has become warped into an inevitable future event in which the true-believers ascend to paradise. This is a notion that really needs to be prevented from spreading its meme, because it feeds our innate desire to believe in the existence of a higher power that will solve our problems for us.
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[11:18] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Now, I am not going to speculate on the existence of God, except to point out that there is actually such a smooth continuum from atheistic science to theistic religion, that it is actually very difficult to define where one ends and the other begins. But I can make a definite statement regarding the existence of the technological singularity. Physically, singularities have no existence.
[11:18] Extropia DaSilva shouts: They are, after all, merely metaphores for a current lack of knowledge. The ‘singularity’ at the centre of black holes or at the moment of the Big Bang will vanish in a flash of mathematical clarity as soon as we have a working theory of quantum gravity. Similarly, any mind that is engineered for super intelligence is not going to perceive a technological singularity, because that is a metaphore for the existence of concepts fundamentally ungraspable to unaugmented minds.
[11:18] Alonzo Karas: SLOW DOWN!!!
[11:19] Extropia DaSilva shouts: I think it is worth asking if the term ‘singularity’ has unfortunate similarities with the word ‘singular’ and therefore implies a single technological breakthrough that propels us to post-humanity. I think that is as misleading as the quest for ‘the’ origin of life.
[11:19] Manoj Undercity: Alonzo.... please refer to chat history. we will make a transcript available
[11:19] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Such a quest encourages us to define an absolute definition for ‘life’ and ‘nonlife’ when, in fact, the transition from one to the other was a progressive hierarchy of steps leading from a pre-biotic Earth enriched in organic molecules to cellular life. It is decidedly arbitrary to pin down the exact moment when any system of gradually increasing complexity becomes ‘alive’.
[11:20] Extropia DaSilva shouts: Dawkin’s Mount Improbable has no definite point marking the arrival of ‘life’, and ‘technological mount improbable’ has no definitive point marking the emergence of ‘post-humanity’.
[11:20] Giulio Perhaps: extro can you accelerate a bit - next speaker must leave at some point
[11:20] Extropia DaSilva: Oh OK I will cut this short..
[11:21] Charles Gregoire: / you ran late Giulio, not far to Extro
[11:21] Charles Gregoire: / fair
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[11:21] Giulio Perhaps: know that!
[11:21] Extropia DaSilva: So I go on about some stuff which is kind of cool and then...
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[11:21] Sat Batra is finding tthis talk stimulating
[11:21] Extropia DaSilva shouts: If the technological Singularity is not the summit of Mount Improbable after all, one might ask what is. Will science reveal the answer? Or maybe philosophy? Perhaps theology? Or should we conjecture that these are all manifestations of a grander overarching conceptual framework that we currently cannot comprehend, but may come to appreciate as we ascend to a state that might appropriately be defined as ‘God’? I like to think so!
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[11:21] Jamie Marlin agrees
[11:21] Lock toggle: You cannot change lock mode - only Giulio Perhaps can.
[11:22] Khannea Suntzu: Archangel is good enough for me. Even Afreet.
[11:22] Extropia DaSilva: Ok That is it. Questions?
[11:22] Khannea Suntzu: Yes
[11:22] Lucifer Darrow applauds enthusiastically
[11:22] Forrest Paster raises hand
[11:22] Charles Gregoire: / wow we fell off the cliff there, ending so fast! giggles
[11:22] Alonzo Karas: I'm using the history, you've scrolled off the page!
[11:22] Tree Kyomoon: Cant it be just knowlege and ignorance? Why God?
[11:22] Qyxxql Merlin: /clap
[11:22] Scope Cleaver: /claps
[11:22] Bret Something: /agrees
[11:22] Philippe Golding is Online
[11:22] Manoj Undercity: yaaaay
[11:22] Khannea Suntzu: Extropia, brief one. Don't you fear that as objective development accelerates, won't like, people in the Sudan freak out?
[11:22] BiGSiN Wormser applauds
[11:22] Jamie Marlin claps enthusiastically
[11:22] Charles Gregoire thinks Extropia has said some wise and profound things there.
[11:22] Sat Batra whistles and cheers like a drunken red neck.
[11:23] Manoj Undercity: hey Charlotte .. please have a seat
[11:23] Extropia DaSilva: It is possible that some people will be freaked by technological acceleration. I know some people find the idea of Sl profoundly counterintuitive.
[11:24] Extropia DaSilva: But I think we have to remind ourselves that even the extreme possibiities are reached via many little steps.
[11:24] Forrest Paster: Whether this advancement of technology is inevitable or not, what is our responsibility to address the concerns that drive fundamentalist oppostiion?
12:27] Extropia DaSilva: When is Kurzweil's latest book available?


Third Speaker = James Sleeper (James Hughes - World Transhumanist Association)

James Sleeper was indeed asleep when I first met him in-world....as you can probably tell from this picture here...



...or perhaps he was in some sort of deep meditation as a mode of preparation for his amazing lecture that he gave minutes after. I think James' talk was my favourite thus far - he gave an incredibly honest and balanced perspective of the bridges between secularism and the more transcendal aspects of living usually found in the ancient and time-tested faith-based religions from outside our Second Metaverse.

He also presented a host of illuminating slides that helped illustrate his consideration of all the ways that Transhumanists and Posthumanists alike can embrace both faith AND reason in the looming age of the Singularity...Again, James Sleeper primarily used voice-chat to express his ideas so there is not as much in the way of text-based content...There are even moments where text would be answered with voice and vice-verse so the text transcript might be somewhat confusing...

To understand in full what James Sleeper was speaking of when he brought up his slides, please read his full PDF transcript by copying this link and pasting it into your internet browser: http://ieet.org/archive/20070326-Hughes-ASU-H+Religion.pdf

Here are some more pictures interspersed with the recovered chat history...



[12:27] James Sleeper: No I think there are inevitable conflicts since we argue for radical liberal individualism and... (TEXT CUTS OFF)





Photo by Miulew Takahe.



Photo by Miulew Takahe.

[12:27] Qyxxql Merlin: my question is: if there was a brand new future religion based on Posthumanism, what would you imagine it would look like?
[12:27] Qyxxql Merlin: er...*how
[12:27] James Sleeper: But I think groups in all religions will adopt parts, and we will also become more diverse



[12:27] Philippe Golding: QUESTION: So how does Giulio's H+ religion fit into all this?
[12:27] Manoj Undercity: Dr.J, u can answer live please if u can. u will have 1 minute delay for your voice to reach us
[12:27] James Sleeper: That's a challenge for us and them



[12:27] Tree Kyomoon: why does transhumanism need/want the support of religion (a bit like a physicist pining for support for a theory from 5 year olds)
[12:27] Cryonica Artizar: Yes, I also want to know when Kurzweil 'l latest is out
[12:27] WhiteBoard (w): Now showing Image 3/20 - Slide2



[12:28] Cryonica Artizar: nice speach btw
[12:28] Extropia DaSilva: It was excellent.
[12:28] James Sleeper: I don't see this as us pandering for religious support
[12:28] Giulio Perhaps: taking James off audio now
[12:28] Qyxxql Merlin: yes, brilliant speech :-)
[12:28] James Sleeper: I think we're futurists, and this is a religious futurist prediction



[12:28] Giulio Perhaps: Lincoln, connect audio stream?
[12:28] James Sleeper: Whether we want Xians adopting our ideas is another question
[12:28] Manoj Undercity: ok he is answering by text which is also good
[12:29] Xantha Oe: the Kurweil book is out - check Amazon for: The Intelligent Universe



[12:29] Tree Kyomoon: but will religion just become less and less relevant as more and more conclusive evidence is discovered?
[12:29] James Sleeper: For instance a Baptist theologian recently suggested that Xian parents should tweak their gay fetuses to make them straight
[12:29] James Sleeper: A bad idea, but another way that our tech is attractive to some of our opponents
[12:29] James Sleeper: Any more Qs?

Next Speaker...Ahman Hax of the Mormon Transhumanist Association...I will be posting this next...
Tags: conference, extropianism, mormonism, qyxxql merlin, religion, resurrection, second life, singularity, transhumanism
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